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    I think ESPN is in Iowa City tomorrow. I found this interesting. Not saying i agree, or disagree with any, or all of it, just saying I found the question interesting, especially from someone who isn't an Iowa fan.


    Jon from Murfreesboro, Tenn., writes: I'm not an Iowa fan, but if I was, I would be expecting more from the program. With the amount of money Ferentz is getting paid and the minimal success he has had there, I just don't get it. Is there a coach in the Big Ten who is getting paid so handsomely for doing less than Ferentz? In 13 years in Iowa City he's had 4 ten win seasons and 2 conference titles, not exactly killing it. Outsider looking in, it sure seems like Iowa is just throwing cash at him and accept his mediocrity in the hopes that he stays and doesn't bolt for one of NFL jobs his name gets rumored about every year.

    Adam Rittenberg: Jon, this is one of the topics I want to address when I'm in Iowa City this week. The thing that jumps out to everyone nationally about Iowa is Ferentz's salary. People acknowledge the wins totals, which are pretty respectable, but wonder why Iowa can't get more despite paying its coach top-10 money. With Iowa, you have to look at the bigger picture. There are some inherent disadvantages there, namely location for recruiting, that will always make it tough to be consistently elite. Iowa has some tradition, but it doesn't have the national allure of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Nebraska. What Ferentz can sell is the ability to get players to the NFL. The pro personnel evaluators love Iowa, and if you're a good recruit with the potential to get a lot better in college, Iowa isn't a bad place to go. But it's certainly fair to expect more from Ferentz, especially at a time when Wisconsin, a comparable program, has reached back-to-back Rose Bowls. As for the constant NFL buzz, it has worked in Ferentz's favor with the school. But Iowa also doesn't want to become a North Carolina or a Washington State, programs that backslide after losing successful coaches (Mack Brown, Mike Price).

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    Golfer, you're a major donor. Tell us how you feel about Ferentz salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JugadorHawk View Post
    Golfer, you're a major donor. Tell us how you feel about Ferentz salary.
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    I'm not sure what I think. I do think the contract could have been written differently as it regards performance bonuses, but if what you are asking me is do I think he gets paid too much, then I'm not sure.

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    I think you're response opens up an interesting conservation. On one hand people think Kirk is overpaid for the results on the field, and on the other people think that he absolutely deserves his salary. I lean more to Rittenberg's side because we have experienced great success during Ferentz's tenure; and with our lack of depth and other inherent obstacles, I think he's paid what the market suggests.
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    I think we should wait till this year is over to have this discussion. I can deffinetly see both sides of the argument.

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    I think it will get more interesting. The 2 conference titles on his resume look pretty impressive, but now with a title game there will be no more 2,3, and even 4 way co-champions.

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    Shouldn't there technically be a 3rd title due to the OSU vacating/cheating as well?

    (Not saying, just saying)

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    It is a lot better than paying the buy outs on bad coaches.

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    jugadorhawk brought up a good point. He is paid what the market suggests, so fundamentally, I think he is paid exactly, correctly.

    I view the way the contract was written as a separate issue, but that doesn't change my thoughts above. I'm a free market guy.

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    I think he does a good job with the resources he has to work with. I understand that is a very broad statement. But it is tough to get the" big boys" to come to Iowa so he does the best with what he can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iahawks912 View Post
    I think he does a good job with the resources he has to work with. I understand that is a very broad statement. But it is tough to get the" big boys" to come to Iowa so he does the best with what he can get.
    I will go a step further and say that he draws SOME good players because we do not have the national aura to get quantities top flite guys to wait their turn on the field, other than the OL.
    If Iowa could have capitalized on KF's strong few year stretch then we might be talking about other things right now.

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    The most frustrating thing about Iowa football right now is the number of players we put in the pros and the lack of results in the win column. There is no question our coaches have done an excellent job of developing talent, its the lack of wins when we have the talent that has soared some of the fan base. Therefore, bringing the age old salary question in to debate. As a hawk fan I certainly don't want to begin feeling like a cub's fan. Meaning, even if the product sucks the stadium is still packed to the brim and every year your waiting for next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BALDIES7980 View Post
    I will go a step further and say that he draws SOME good players because we do not have the national aura to get quantities top flite guys to wait their turn on the field, other than the OL.
    If Iowa could have capitalized on KF's strong few year stretch then we might be talking about other things right now.
    I'll take this a step further and say, initially Iowa did capitalize on Ferentz first couple strong years, but then the wheels fell off the program with all the arrests and trouble. Kirk was able to bring in some good classes in the 2005-2007 years but several of those guys got in trouble and left or where booted. I think this was something the program was not prepared for and those years were not good on field product.
    I'm not saying that was Ferentz's fault as the stupidity was all at the hands of the players. But I don't think the program was prepared to handle some of the players it brought in. If that makes sense at all??
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamsonHawk515 View Post
    The most frustrating thing about Iowa football right now is the number of players we put in the pros and the lack of results in the win column. There is no question our coaches have done an excellent job of developing talent, its the lack of wins when we have the talent that has soared some of the fan base. Therefore, bringing the age old salary question in to debate. As a hawk fan I certainly don't want to begin feeling like a cub's fan. Meaning, even if the product sucks the stadium is still packed to the brim and every year your waiting for next year.
    Not a good analogy IMO. The Cubs have not won anything and have been pathetic for decades. Kirk has guided the Hawks to conference titles and BCS bowl games (one win).

    I think when we've had disappointing years ('05 and '10) it's because of our returning lettermen and preseason expectations, but Ferentz has overachieved so many seasons ('02, '03, '04, '08 & '09) and that is a great balance for Iowa.

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    I am split on the issue. I am leaning towards the argument that he is properly paid and makes the right amount. However, I cannot say it without hesitation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Golfer View Post
    jugadorhawk brought up a good point. He is paid what the market suggests, so fundamentally, I think he is paid exactly, correctly.
    The point made by Golfer doesn't sit well with me, at all. I get what it is trying to say: if you want a big program, you have to pay big money to a big coach. But it makes me wonder, the 'market' suggests we pay our guy almost $4,000,000 for 7 wins?

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