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    "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    -Steve Nash in a Sportscenter interview that aired today.

    Do you agree or disagree? Why?

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    I agree for the most part. It sucks but the only way there is loyalty is if a STAR is drafted by a big franchise in a big market. The team isn't going to trade their star, and the star knows he won't be as big a star in a small market, so they stay. See Derek Jeter, Kobe Bryant, etc.

    Alex Rodriguez was in Seattle, didn't last. Lebron James in Cleveland, didn't last.

    Now I will say that I think football is a little different and there is a bit more loyalty but still not a ton.

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    In pro sports? Yes. Teams will cut players at any time, especially in the NFL. Players leave teams all the time. There are less and less die hard fans it seems.

    However, this does not apply to college sprots or International Soccer. Those soccer fans are crazy as hell but college football fans aren't far behind.

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    Pro sports are businesses, for all involved. Why else would so many lawyers (agents) be associated with teh pros if it weren't all about money?
    If you want loyalty, adopt a dog.

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    There is not much loyalty in sports at the professional level, owners treat it as a business which they should. Once in a while a player comes along that shows loyalty to a team, Chipper Jones comes to mind. But that is an example of where the player and the team owners took care of one another.

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    In pro sports? Yes. Teams will cut players at any time, especially in the NFL. Players leave teams all the time. There are less and less die hard fans it seems.

    However, this does not apply to college sprots or International Soccer. Those soccer fans are crazy as hell but college football fans aren't far behind.
    Well you can't really just change teams.

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    If GMs show too much loyalty they start losing games and lose their jobs. If owners show too much they start losing and people stop filling seats. If players show too much they are accused of not wanting to win.

    Fans are the only people that can show 100% loyalty and not get hurt by it.

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    In pro sports? Yes. Teams will cut players at any time, especially in the NFL. Players leave teams all the time. There are less and less die hard fans it seems.

    However, this does not apply to college sprots or International Soccer. Those soccer fans are crazy as hell but college football fans aren't far behind.
    I think the only thing that inspires true loyalty is national teams. People will watch swimming in a month and really care about the outcome because they have caps with American flags on them.

    All loyalty is still predicated on winning, even in English soccer and college football. Iowa, Wisconsin, these schools have great fans. If either school went in a 40 year losing streak they'd have a lot fewer and a lot less passionate fans. Soccer fans are crazy... unless you root for Sunderland FC, then they like to follow them but don't get too worried about it.

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    In baseball today a good hitter will not end their career in the nl when they can play till 40 in the al and not have to field

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    Quote Originally Posted by DexterMorgan View Post
    Well you can't really just change teams.
    Sorry, I meant the league's like the Premiere League. I was trying to differentiate between that and the MLS.

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    I think the only thing that inspires true loyalty is national teams. People will watch swimming in a month and really care about the outcome because they have caps with American flags on them.

    All loyalty is still predicated on winning, even in English soccer and college football. Iowa, Wisconsin, these schools have great fans. If either school went in a 40 year losing streak they'd have a lot fewer and a lot less passionate fans. Soccer fans are crazy... unless you root for Sunderland FC, then they like to follow them but don't get too worried about it.
    What about Iowa State football? They haven't won anything meaningful in a century, yet that doesn't stop people from going to the games. Well at least when it's warm out, they don't have to pick the harvest, they're playing a good team, and the game starts at either 1 or 2:30.

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclones17 View Post
    I agree for the most part. It sucks but the only way there is loyalty is if a STAR is drafted by a big franchise in a big market. The team isn't going to trade their star, and the star knows he won't be as big a star in a small market, so they stay. See Derek Jeter, Kobe Bryant, etc.

    Alex Rodriguez was in Seattle, didn't last. Lebron James in Cleveland, didn't last.

    Now I will say that I think football is a little different and there is a bit more loyalty but still not a ton.
    That's not true loyalty. Both sides are acting selfishly in the scenario you just described (perhaps that sounds a little harsh, but it's true). True loyalty is what LeBron, A-Rod, etc., failed to do. As mentioned, Chipper is a good example of a guy who could have easily chased greener pastures (and found them), yet chose to stay in Atlanta. Dirk is a good example in the NBA.

    There are others, though there are fewer and fewer all the time. It's a business, and there's really nothing wrong with accepting that. But that doesn't mean it isn't refreshing to see guys like Chipper out there. There's a very good reason he's one of the most beloved players of his generation, regardless of the team he plays for (He's my favorite active player, even as a die-hard Cubs fan. He's my second-favorite player all-time behind Junior). We like to see guys do things the old fashioned way.
    HawkeyeRyno's yearly assessment of Fran's recruiting:

    Really? Because judging by how many of Fran's top targets have committed elsewhere so far and Iowa has no commitments I'd say recruiting trail has been a struggle so far for Fran for the [insert current recruiting year] class.

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    Absolutely no loyalty in sports -- especially at the professional level. Sure, there are a few athletes who will turn down a pay raise to remain with their current team. But that is a rarity.

    Gone are the days when you could identify with players. Now, you identify with laundry (i.e. the jersey itself). I used to love the days of Magic and Bird, etc. Teams stayed intact. Now, it is 100 percent a business.

    Injure your knee? Put you out to pasture. Can't win a championship by drafting and coaching? Go out and buy a championship (hello Boston Celtics and Miami Heat).

    Very few players are loyal to a team. And honestly, can't really blame them because it is just a different world in general. As in the corporate world, companies will dump you at the drop of a hat if they decide they need to save a little $. Same goes for sports ... When they no longer feel they need you ... they ship you off or kick you to the curb.

    The loyalty factor is gone, for the most part. But lots of people played a part in it (i.e. crazy owners; crazy fans; the general 'what have you done for me lately?' society we live in) ... It is just the nature of the beast. You have to win now. And if you can't help me win now you are of no use to me ...

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    What about Iowa State football? They haven't won anything meaningful in a century, yet that doesn't stop people from going to the games. Well at least when it's warm out, they don't have to pick the harvest, they're playing a good team, and the game starts at either 1 or 2:30.
    Actually ISU is a pretty good example - averaged 55k+ in the 70s when they were good, gradually dwindled down to almost nothing in the 90s (I would know, I went to some games then) and now has some semblance of a decent fanbase again with some increased success.

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    Re: "There's really no true loyalty in sports."

    Quote Originally Posted by thejumper5 View Post
    -Steve Nash in a Sportscenter interview that aired today.

    Do you agree or disagree? Why?
    From a player or owner perspective, I think it is true. From a fan perspective, I don't think it's true. Seinfeld was correct when years ago he said that fans just cheer for the uniform. That's all we got.

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