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    The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    A few observations on Iowa recruiting, especially about how the coaching staff has seemingly chosen to limit Iowa's recruiting in a variety of ways.

    1. Iowa virtually ignores the juco world. Iowa Western CC is the premiere JuCo program in America; they finished an undefeated national championship season yesterday. They have 14 players who have FBS offers. Only one, RB Aaron Wimberly, has an Iowa offer, but he didn't receive his offer until after he had already committed to Iowa State. QB Jake Waters is down to Penn State and Kansas State; he's been called by some analysts the best juco QB in America. Waters grew up in Iowa, but he does not have an Iowa offer. If Bill O'Brien, who coached Tom Brady and helped turn Matt McGloin into the best passer in the Big Ten, thinks Waters is a scholarship level QB for Penn State, then I am 100% Waters is a scholarship level QB for Iowa. Yes, taking Waters would mean that Iowa has 5 QBs next year, two of whom would be 4th year juniors, but I don't think that is enough reason to ignore a guy who is as good at him.

    2. Iowa virtually ignores the deep south, Florida, and California, three of the five areas of the country (the other areas are Texas and northern cities) that produce the most D1 talent. If you take a look at this map of Iowa's 2013 offers, you'll notice that almost all of Iowa's offers have gone to players in either Big Ten country or Texas. Yes, Iowa is likely to lose out on a vast majority of players they recruit from California, Florida, and the South, but, as the old saying goes, you can't win if you don't play.

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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    Just another glaring 'Kurtism'

    I always cringe when he says in pressers that we can't recruit here at Iowa with the elite programs. I then think of Kansas State and Bill Snyder or Boise State.

    With that kind of attitude I wonder how it rubs off on the team.

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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    I agree on your juco assessment, KF got his "mulligan" with this years 4-8 finish another one would put him on the hot seat regardless of what his buyout is. Quite frankly KF should have started going this route once they lost a bunch of players to attrition in recent recruiting classes. The Hawks need to improve the talent in the upper classmen and the best way to do this is through junior college.

    As far as recruiting the South, I do not think the coaches completely ignore the south as they do land a player from Florida once in a while. But I wonder if recruiting those areas heavily is productive. Not only are you fighting against every SEC school but the weather plays a part in it as well. If I am a high school senior on college visits the "atmosphere" of California schools and southern schools are hard to ignore.

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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by trapperjon View Post
    Just another glaring 'Kurtism'

    I always cringe when he says in pressers that we can't recruit here at Iowa with the elite programs. I then think of Kansas State and Bill Snyder or Boise State.

    With that kind of attitude I wonder how it rubs off on the team.
    One little defense of this, both of those schools are much easier to get into than Iowa especially Boise State.

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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    That's football.

    *snort, fart.

    This is not a dog crap football team.

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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    I think that a player who receives an Iowa offer will immediately put it on the back shelf. I agree TJ5, we have the JUCO nat'l champs right in our backyard and one offer. The kind of season(s) that we have watched, what kid would want to come here? This off-season means that our coaches need to knock every opportunity out of the park.....we need to continue to recruit good, quality kids to help get this program back on track. Hard to change Ferentz's attitude and his mannerisms.
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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by thejumper5 View Post
    A few observations on Iowa recruiting, especially about how the coaching staff has seemingly chosen to limit Iowa's recruiting in a variety of ways.

    1. Iowa virtually ignores the juco world. Iowa Western CC is the premiere JuCo program in America; they finished an undefeated national championship season yesterday. They have 14 players who have FBS offers. Only one, RB Aaron Wimberly, has an Iowa offer, but he didn't receive his offer until after he had already committed to Iowa State. QB Jake Waters is down to Penn State and Kansas State; he's been called by some analysts the best juco QB in America. Waters grew up in Iowa, but he does not have an Iowa offer. If Bill O'Brien, who coached Tom Brady and helped turn Matt McGloin into the best passer in the Big Ten, thinks Waters is a scholarship level QB for Penn State, then I am 100% Waters is a scholarship level QB for Iowa. Yes, taking Waters would mean that Iowa has 5 QBs next year, two of whom would be 4th year juniors, but I don't think that is enough reason to ignore a guy who is as good at him.

    2. Iowa virtually ignores the deep south, Florida, and California, three of the five areas of the country (the other areas are Texas and northern cities) that produce the most D1 talent. If you take a look at this map of Iowa's 2013 offers, you'll notice that almost all of Iowa's offers have gone to players in either Big Ten country or Texas. Yes, Iowa is likely to lose out on a vast majority of players they recruit from California, Florida, and the South, but, as the old saying goes, you can't win if you don't play.

    Thoughts?
    Wow. Thanks for the map. Very interesting. I don't follow the recruiting area consistently, so this was really news to me. Appreciate it.

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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by INTIMIDATORHawk View Post
    That's football.

    *snort, fart.

    This is not a dog crap football team.
    Your posts are getting very old. Find something new and equally stupid to post.

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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    Is there any way we could sell all of this talent in 2014 as to being a "return to glory" type of class in the state and the midwest in general? In the way that a Georgia did a couple years ago. Maybe a reach but getting all the big rated guys in the state to be friends and bond over going to Iowa?

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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    How many big ten teams dig into recruiting the south (outside of the state of florida)? There is a matter of roi for such endeavors.

    I don't think jucos are a bad thing but how many do you want to bring in each year?

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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by Easton View Post
    How many big ten teams dig into recruiting the south (outside of the state of florida)? There is a matter of roi for such endeavors.

    I don't think jucos are a bad thing but how many do you want to bring in each year?
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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    I see that we haven't moved past making irrelevant rants yet. I will wait for the proper mourning time. Do you need two or three months to gather your thoughts?

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    Re: The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

    When Alabama and Oregon to name a few, were making regular stops to Iowa Western to evaluate kids, then I don't think it's to much of a reach for Iowa to go after a few, especially with the attrition we had. I don't want to build a program on JUCO's but when the need arises go get a few. Take it for what it's worth, but when Iowa does show up at some of the Community Colleges they don't leave a good impression, and Iowa Western has seen D1 coaches from all over the country and for Iowa to leave one of the worst impressions isn't a positive. I haven't reached the mourning stage and hopefully I don't get to that point because then I know we are done. I'm still in the anger phase because the staff needs to do a much better job then they have been.
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    It boggles my mind why Iowa would ignore Jucos when programs like K-State are reaping obvious benefits from it. Instead, apparently I guess it's a case of "that's not what we do here at Iowa." Say what? Why not get the best players, wherever or however you can get them? Who the flip cares if they are JUCO or High School recruits?

    It's not like recruiting JUCO players is "dirty" or something, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHawk1 View Post
    When Alabama and Oregon to name a few, were making regular stops to Iowa Western to evaluate kids, then I don't think it's to much of a reach for Iowa to go after a few, especially with the attrition we had. I don't want to build a program on JUCO's but when the need arises go get a few. Take it for what it's worth, but when Iowa does show up at some of the Community Colleges they don't leave a good impression, and Iowa Western has seen D1 coaches from all over the country and for Iowa to leave one of the worst impressions isn't a positive. I haven't reached the mourning stage and hopefully I don't get to that point because then I know we are done. I'm still in the anger phase because the staff needs to do a much better job then they have been.
    Care to elaborate on that part in bold?

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