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    B1G Money, Small Spenders?

    SEC schools spend millions more on their football programs than do Big Ten schools. Are B1G athletic departments being cheap?

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    I would say we are not cheap when it comes to our head coach. I'm just saying.

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    The gap is only going to widen. People need to realize that the Big Ten realized this and why they waved the white flag in regards to a playoff. They know they can no longer compete for championships in football against the SEC. Jim Delany said as much. It just doesn't matter to us as much as it does the folks in the south. Right, wrong or indifferent, it is what it is. The Big Ten is a developmental league and has been for some time now. The real concern comes when Ohio St or Michigan gets left out of a playoff because of their terrible SOS due largely to a terrible B1G. They'll start to have wondering eyes.

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    The SEC... where they exploit young men and provide other young people as few opportunities as possible so that the old boys network can get fat paychecks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkfan340 View Post
    The SEC... where they exploit young men and provide other young people as few opportunities as possible so that the old boys network can get fat paychecks.
    How so?

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    A big part of the difference is that the B1G is not just about football, but about other sports too. A quick look at the top 25 rankings for mens hoops shows that the B1G has 6 ranked teams with 3 in the top ten, while the SEC has 2 and 1 in the AP and 3 and 1 in ESPN/USA Today. While fans at Iowa, OSU, Michigan will care about equally for the football and basketball teams, do you think fans at Auburn, Georgia, Alabama care much for the basketball teams?

    The amount of sports being offered is also part of the issue. I believe Texas has the largest athletic budget in the NCAA and offers 7 men's sports and 9 women's sports. In comparison, Iowa offers 10 for the men and 12 for the women.

    Do any SEC schools offer hockey or wrestling?

    Could the B1G spend more on football at the expense of other programs? Sure? Will they? Doubtful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atxhawk View Post
    A big part of the difference is that the B1G is not just about football, but about other sports too. A quick look at the top 25 rankings for mens hoops shows that the B1G has 6 ranked teams with 3 in the top ten, while the SEC has 2 and 1 in the AP and 3 and 1 in ESPN/USA Today. While fans at Iowa, OSU, Michigan will care about equally for the football and basketball teams, do you think fans at Auburn, Georgia, Alabama care much for the basketball teams?

    The amount of sports being offered is also part of the issue. I believe Texas has the largest athletic budget in the NCAA and offers 7 men's sports and 9 women's sports. In comparison, Iowa offers 10 for the men and 12 for the women.

    Do any SEC schools offer hockey or wrestling?

    Could the B1G spend more on football at the expense of other programs? Sure? Will they? Doubtful.
    this is the point i was going to make. The SEC can spend out the *** on football because they don't have to use that money to fund a bunch of other sports.

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    I'm not sure you are comparing apples to apples Jon. I think one must look at the number of sports offered for men and women at each school. I am willing to bet the average Big Ten school supports more sports programs than the average SEC school. When you have to divide the dollars by more sports programs it has to come from some place.

    There is the matter of profitability. Almost all athletic departments run in the red. How many SEC programs are subsidized by student fees and tax dollars? I will venture a guess that that the SEC has some real subsidization going on.
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    I would be willing to bet a testicle that the statement about sponsoring more sports makes it impossible for the Big Ten to spend equally to the SEC on football is garbage.

    The vast majority of athletic's profit goes back to the university, not these meaningless programs.
    The B1G can absolutely match the SEC in what it spends on football but it won't, not because of the swim team but because the universities aren't parting with that money for what THEY want it for.

    Jeez, c'mon folks.
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    Re: B1G Money, Small Spenders?

    Quote Originally Posted by HawkeyePT View Post
    How so?
    Very simplified: Oversigning and few athletic programs outside of football. For example,

    Alabama is the highest revenue generating athletic department in the SEC and #3 in FBS. The Alabama Athletic Department funds 15 programs. Indiana is the 10th in the Big Ten in athletic department revenues and they fund 22 sports. Iowa’s athletic department also funds 22 sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treychase View Post
    I would be willing to bet a testicle that the statement about sponsoring more sports makes it impossible for the Big Ten to spend equally to the SEC on football is garbage.

    The vast majority of athletic's profit goes back to the university, not these meaningless programs.
    The B1G can absolutely match the SEC in what it spends on football but it won't, not because of the swim team but because the universities aren't parting with that money for what THEY want it for.

    Jeez, c'mon folks.
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    These are how many scholarships (full and partial) that an FBS college can offer. The far right number are for women's sports.

    Sport Men's Women's
    Baseball/softball 11.7 12
    Basketball 13 15
    Bowling 0 5
    Equestrian 0 15
    Fencing 4.5 5
    Field hockey 0 12
    Football 85 0
    Golf 4.5 6
    Gymnastics 6.3 12
    Ice hockey 18 18
    Lacrosse 12.6 12
    Rifle 3.6 0
    Rowing 0 20
    Rugby 0 12
    Sand volleyball 0 3*
    Skiing 6.3 7
    Soccer 9.9 14
    Swimming/diving 9.9 14
    Tennis 4.5 8
    Track and field/
    cross-country 12.6 18
    Volleyball 4.5 12
    Water polo 4.5 8
    Wrestling 9.9 0
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    Now, add up those women's scholarships and realize that by some factor every single one of them is a loss of money. Take field hockey at Iowa for example. 21 girls on the roster, 12 scholarships. Every one of those rides is filled and also filled by an out of stater. That is an annual out of state tuition check that athletic department has to pay to the University of Iowa. That is more expensive, from a scholarship standpoint, than Men's and Women's basketball at Iowa because when an Iowa native fills that scholarship, the cost is greatly reduced when compared to an out of stater. Greatly reduced. One way to make women's sports cost less is to have the rides filled by state of Iowa girls.

    Women's sports still cost money...millions of dollars per year...and those are millions of dollars that are not offset by revenues. The SEC doesn't load the boat that way like the Big Ten does.

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    If the SEC supported as many sports as the B1G did, they wouldn't have enough money left to pay their players...or the parents of players...
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    Good stuff, Jon. Interesting. Thanks for gathering and posting.

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    Re: B1G Money, Small Spenders?

    Quote Originally Posted by treychase View Post
    I would be willing to bet a testicle that the statement about sponsoring more sports makes it impossible for the Big Ten to spend equally to the SEC on football is garbage.

    The vast majority of athletic's profit goes back to the university, not these meaningless programs.
    The B1G can absolutely match the SEC in what it spends on football but it won't, not because of the swim team but because the universities aren't parting with that money for what THEY want it for.

    Jeez, c'mon folks.
    Think. People. Think.
    Edit: Maybe not so off base. I don't see it listed in the line items, but the top paragraph says $18.4M goes to the University some how. Not sure where that number comes from though, and whether it's stuff the Dept. purchases that benefits both the Dept. and the rest of the school, or whether it straight goes to the school.

    See page 13. http://www.regents.iowa.gov/Meetings...812_ITEM08.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkfan340 View Post
    Edit: Maybe not so off base. I don't see it listed in the line items, but the top paragraph says $18.4M goes to the University some how.

    See page 13. http://www.regents.iowa.gov/Meetings...812_ITEM08.pdf
    This doesn't mean what you think it means.
    If it did, they'd be a taxable entity.

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