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    Football recruiting rankings: Comparative data

    The following data is compiled from Scout database.

    First some facts. There are an average of 54 5-star rated players per year and 285 4-star in the nation as ranked by Scout. So 5-star players are rare and 4-star don't exactly grow on trees. There are over 1000 3-star players annually.

    If you were to split them up equally among BCS level schools, that works out to four 4-star and fifteen 3-star per BCS level school on average and less than one 5-star.


    Since 2002 when Scout began ranking recruits, the B1G has finished basically as the 4th ranked conference in recruiting rankings. Probably not surprisingly, the B1G as a whole has done poorly as compared to our peers in the SEC, B12, and P12.

    The B1G has only signed 13% of ALL 5-star players and 14% of 4-star over the past 12 years. As a matter of fact over the past 12 years, the B1G has only signed 85 5-star players! 480 4-star. 1,151 3-star. Of the Top-100 rated players, the B1G only gets 16% of those too.

    In the B1G, 78% of the 5-star players which committed to playing in the B1G have signed with the blue blood schools of Michigan, Ohio State or Penn State. Additionally, these 3 recruiting juggernauts have secured 64% of the 4-star players leaving crumbs for the rest of the conference.

    These 3 schools have significant advantages over most of the B1G schools such as history, resources and in-state recruiting base as all 3 are near the top in all-time wins, have the largest athletic revenues and budgets, and reside in states/regions with large populations and large cities in which to recruit.

    Iowa has historically (at least since 2002) signed classes ranked in the 30s and 40s. As a matter of fact, only twice have we broke into the top 25! 2011 at #22 and the infamous 2005 class at #8. Iowa has averaged 3.3 four-star rated players per class and an average Team Ranking of #39.

    What may surprise you is that Wisconsin, Michigan St, and Illinois all average lower team rankings than the Hawks.

    Even Nebraska with its 5 National Championships in the modern era only averages a #30 ranking! Only 3 times have the Huskers finished in Top 25 of rankings (#21 in '07 & '08 and #10 in '05). That surprised me anyway....

    This should really get your attention: Wisconsin has NEVER had a Top 25 class! Not once. Their best was #26 in 2008, next best was #33 in 2010. They currently have the #25th rated class for 2013 and this coming on the heels of 3 consecutive Rose Bowls....They were #63 last year. Not exactly parlaying their success on the field into recruiting.

    Michigan State which is in a recruiting hot bed of Michigan with close proximity to Ohio and even NY and the East Coast has only had ONE Top 25 class coming in at #13 way back in '04. They were coming off back-to-back 11 win seasons and only signed classes ranked #38, #29 respectively and currently have the #34 ranked class in 2013.

    Here are the AVERAGE Recruiting Rankings for each team in the B1G over the past 12 years:

    10 OSU
    11 MICH
    25 PSU
    30 NEB
    39 IOWA
    39 IL
    41 WISC
    43 MSU
    51 PU
    58 MN
    61 NW
    66 IU

    Population Data:
    Nat'l Rank....Pop.....(BCS Schools)
    #5 IL 12.9 million (Illini, NW)
    #6 PA 12.8 (PSU, Pitt)
    #7 OH 11.5 (OSU, Cincy)
    #8 MI 9.9 (UM, MSU)
    #15 IN 6.5 (PU, IU, ND)
    #20 WI 5.7 (Wisky)
    #21 MN 5.4 (MN)
    #31 IA 3.1 (Iowa, ISU)
    #39 NE 1.9 (Nebby)

    Winning % since 2002
    OSU 83%
    WIS 70%
    PSU 66%
    MICH 65%
    IOWA 64%
    NEB 64%
    MSU 55%
    NW 52%
    PUR 51%
    MIN 46%
    ILL 35%
    IND 31%

    Interesting correlation between population and recruiting rankings. More people=more recruits to choose from who are more likely to stay closer to home.

    The state of Iowa only produces a handful of BCS level players annually. No where near enough to fill a roster. We land the majority of Iowa HS kids we offer, but with ISU instate and the Michigans of the world snatching the truly elite, we have to rely on neighboring states and developing late bloomers in-house.

    The state of Iowa high school football produces on average less than ONE 4-Star recruit per year and THREE 3-Star. An average of 10 Iowa HS players commit to play for BCS level schools with Iowa and ISU taking all but a very small few (Arrington and Darboh are the biggies to UM and Barrent to MSU, Pipho to Miami). 6 out of 10 of those BCS level kids are 2-star or not rated.

    So on AVERAGE, the state of Iowa produces annually FOUR (4) 3 or 4-Star rated player! Even if the Hawks sign all 4, you can't build a roster around that even if 100% of them pan-out. We have to count on finding the overlooked 2-Star and development. We are also relying on signing kids from other states, who grew up rooting for another team.

    I feel some perspective is needed when looking at recruiting. Some are quick to point out that stars don't matter and site Bob Sanders and Dallas Clark to prove it. I don't buy that nor discredit stars, but there is a bit of truth to it.

    Others look at one year in a vacuum to prove a point that Iowa is having a terrible recruiting year and point to recruiting success at another school such as Oklahoma State (thanks T. Boone Pickens!), Oregon (thanks Phil Knight & Nike) or even Illinois for a while under Zook. Iowa does not recruit with the elite programs, but neither do our closest rivals in Madison, Lincoln, Minneapolis, Champaign or even Columbia, MO. (Missouri Tigers average a #42 class since '02 BTW and have never had a Top-25 class).

    Iowa, like Wisconsin, is a developmental program and can not afford to miss on many players and certainly can't afford attrition which has been proven 10 fold recently with our thin DLs, revolving door at RB and WR. We just need to keep the guys on campus.
    Last edited by HawkinGoferLand; 01-04-2013 at 10:42 AM.
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    Re: Football recruiting rankings: Comparative data

    Great stuff man that may be the only long winded post I've actually read on HN.

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    Wow OP, that was a solid post and gives me some perspective as to what we are up against. That makes coaching that much more imperative for a team like Iowa. A Coach that really understands all the small nuances of gameday managing to give yourself the best chance to win. No doubt,I would give KF B+ when it comes to player development. But he gets a D for his gameday coaching. Another area he is short on is figuring out how best to utilize his existing play makers to take advantage of the opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BILLBUCKNER View Post
    Wow OP, that was a solid post and gives me some perspective as to what we are up against. That makes coaching that much more imperative for a team like Iowa. A Coach that really understands all the small nuances of gameday managing to give yourself the best chance to win. No doubt,I would give KF B+ when it comes to player development. But he gets a D for his gameday coaching. Another area he is short on is figuring out how best to utilize his existing play makers to take advantage of the opposition.
    I would agree with all of that. I think our biggest problem the past two years was the attrition. The game management has always been less than stellar

    It boils down probably more to execution than scheme IMO. We just haven't had the players nor the execution to succeed at a high level lately.
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    nice job, very interesting stuff.
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    Great post OP.

    On a side note--I would love to see a site like Scout have the guts to do a study on the correlation between population based on race and economic class and the success of college football teams. These studies that are based purely on population only tell half the story.

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    I loved this OP, I think it clearly outlined the real recruiting difficulties that the Iowa coaching staff have to face and has to overcome to turn this program around.

    They can't afford to miss on many kids but unfortunately that seems to be the problem over the past couple of years at the skill positions. It seems that too many have either not lived up to the hype or had injury problems or left the program. I think over time, if KF doesn't get fired that GD and others will recruit better WRs that fit his system, they just need time. I think Iowa needs to kind more guys Weisman's size or like LeShun Daniels no more Greg Garmons unless they are going to stop trying to get them to be between the tackles kind of runners.

    I remember that KF said a couple of years ago that they were going to start recruiting bigger DTs and smaller hybrid/athletic LBs. They are still in that transition because of attrition at DL (thanks Coach Kaz) it has taken longer than expected to see the benefits.

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    Since 2002, there have been 128 Iowa HS players commit to BCS level schools:

    Iowa 54 (plus Staggs and Dawson ended up there)
    ISU 56
    Mich 2
    KU 2
    KSU 1
    MN 1
    MO 1
    ND 1
    MSU 1
    MIAMI,FL 1
    Colorado 1
    Stanford 2
    Oregon 1
    Tennessee 1
    Wisconsin 1

    This is according to Scout. I'm sure some are missing along the way, but probably not any 3 or 4 star guys
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    Here is the list of 3 and 4 Star players from Iowa HS since 2002:

    4-STARS:

    CLASS NAME.............. STARS
    2002 KYLE SCHLICHER 4
    2002 CHRIS FELDER 4
    2004 ADRIAN ARRINGTON 4
    2005 TRENT FLANDER 4
    2005 ALEX KANELLIS 4
    2005 TYLER BLUM 4
    2007 TYLER NIELSEN 4
    2007 JORDAN BERNSTINE 4
    2009 BRANDON WEGHER 4
    2009 KEENAN DAVIS 4
    2012 Amarah Darboh 4

    3-STARS:
    CLASS NAME....................STARS
    2002 JON COCHRAN 3
    2002 SCOTT RARIDON 3
    2002 WARREN MCDUFFIE 3
    2002 CALVIN DAVIS 3
    2003 JOSH GRIEBAHN 3
    2003 TODD BLYTHE 3
    2003 AARON BRANT 3
    2003 MIKE KLINKENBORG 3
    2004 JARED PARKER 3
    2004 JASON SCALES 3
    2004 GREG COLEMAN 3
    2004 TRAVIS FERGUSON 3
    2004 TED BENTLER 3
    2004 MITCH KING 3
    2005 MATT PIPHO 3
    2005 PAT ANGERER 3
    2005 ANDY KUEMPEL 3
    2006 DORIAN DAVIS 3
    2007 FABIAN BROWN 3
    2007 CODY HUNDERTMARK 3
    2007 COLIN SANDEMAN 3
    2007 TYLER SASH 3
    2008 STEVEN STAGGS 3
    2008 JAKE MCDONOUGH 3
    2008 JAMES FERENTZ 3
    2008 BEN COTTON 3
    2008 JAMES VANDENBERG 3
    2009 DAVID BARRENT 3
    2009 JORDAN COTTON 3
    2010 ANDRE DAWSON 3
    2010 MATT HOCH 3
    2010 JAMES MORRIS 3
    2010 AJ DERBY 3
    2010 BRANDON SCHERFF 3
    2011 CHRISTIAN FRENCH 3
    2011 BROCK DAGEL 3
    2011 AUSTIN BLYTHE 3
    2011 HENRY KRIEGER-COBLE 3
    2012 Charles Rogers 3
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    Here is the list of 2-Star or NR (Not Rated) Iowa HS players:

    CLASS. NAME.................STARS
    2003 ZACH HOOD 2
    2003 BRET MEYER 2
    2003 NATE MECHAELSEN 2
    2003 MILAN MOSES 2
    2003 TAYLOR SCHRAGE 2
    2003 MATTHEW SCHERBRING 2
    2003 BRANDON COOK 2
    2003 JOHN TJADEN 2
    2003 CURTIS TAYLOR 2
    2003 TOM SCHMELING 2
    2003 JONATHAN ZANDERS 2
    2003 CLINT HUNTRODS 2
    2003 ALEX WILCOX 2
    2003 BROCK ITA 2
    2003 MIKE HUMPAL 2
    2004 JORDAN GOOS 2
    2004 ADAM CARPER 2
    2004 LANDON STREIT 2
    2004 NICK FRERE 2
    2004 KODY KUEHL 2
    2004 MICHAEL SABERS 2
    2004 ANDY BRODELL 2
    2004 GRANT MCCRACKEN 2
    2004 MATT KROUL 2
    2004 MAURICE CANTRELL 2
    2005 CHRIS MENSEN 2
    2005 CHRIS MAHOSKI 2
    2005 LEVI KANWISCHER 2
    2005 TRAVIS MEADE 2
    2006 AUSTEN ARNAUD 2
    2006 BEN LAMAAK 2
    2006 NATE FRERE 2
    2006 PATRICK NEAL 2
    2006 ZAC SANDVIG 2
    2006 MATT HULBERT 2
    2006 DANIEL MURRAY 2
    2006 JULIAN VANDERVELDE 2
    2007 MATT BENTLER 2
    2007 ALEX SANDVIG 2
    2007 ALLEN REISNER 2
    2008 ETHAN TUFTEE 2
    2008 ZACH GUYER 2
    2008 JAKE REISEN 2
    2008 ADAM ROBINSON 2
    2009 JAKE KNOTT 2
    2009 KYLE LICHTENBERG 2
    2009 JOSH LENZ 2
    2009 CONNOR BOFFELI 2
    2009 DREW CLARK 2
    2009 BRETT VAN SLOTEN 2
    2009 MATT MURPHY 2
    2010 JAKE FARLEY 2
    2010 KIRBY VAN DER KAMP 2
    2010 JACOB GANNON 2
    2010 BRANDON JENSEN 2
    2010 NICK KRON 2
    2010 JEVOURY WEDDERBURN 2
    2010 AUSTIN VIER 2
    2010 TANNER MILLER 2
    2011 JAMISON LALK 2
    2011 DAVID LEMKE 2
    2011 JEVHOHN MILLER 2
    2011 DARIAN COTTON 2
    2012 COLLIN BEVINS 2
    2012 KANE SEELEY 2
    2012 CORY MORRISSEY 2
    2012 BARKLEY HILL 2
    2012 MICHAEL MALLOY 2
    2012 NATE MEIER 2
    2002 CORY WIERSON NR
    2002 SETH ZEHR NR
    2002 MIKE ELGIN NR
    2002 RYAN MAJERUS NR
    2003 BEN BARKEMA NR
    2004 MICHAEL MAIN NR
    2004 BRANDON MYERS NR
    2005 JAMES SMITH NR
    2008 ZACH DAVISON NR
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    I didn't know Herby was unbanned...

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    Iowa has signed 8 of the 11 4-Star rated players from Iowa HS. ISU 1. Mich 2.


    Iowa has signed 59 of the 77 3-Star Iowa HS players (77%), ISU 10, Others 8 (TN, STANFORD, OR, ND, MSU, MIAMI, MO, KSU).


    Iowa has signed 27 of the 78 NR/ 2-Star Iowa HS players (35%), ISU 40 (58%), Others 6 (CO, WI, STANFORD, MN, KU).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casey388 View Post
    I didn't know Herby was unbanned...
    I'm channeling my inner Herby
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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkinGoferLand View Post
    I'm channeling my inner Herby
    No you are not. You didn't call anyone a hater and everyone understood your post perfectly clear. That isn't in anyway a Herby post. You sir are the new and improved Herby, I'm working on getting a plaque made for you.

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    Re: Football recruiting rankings: Comparative data

    That is some interesting stuff. That had to take you a long time. Preciate it

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